From sentto-44114-21143-1068697826-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 20:32:49 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.106]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AK99v-0001Ec-WA for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:32:44 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21143-1068697826-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2003 04:30:27 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34709 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2003 04:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2003 04:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2003 04:30:25 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 22E9E4DFB; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200311122330.23419.phma@webjockey.net> From: Pierre Abbat X-Originating-IP: 208.150.110.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:30:23 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Question about lujvo-making Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 6640 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Wednesday 12 November 2003 19:14, hfroark wrote: > I'm having trouble making sense of rule 5 in the lujvo-making > algorithm in > http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter4.html#s11 > > It says to test all forms with the pattern "CVC ... CVC + X". To be > perfectly clear does this mean that all the rafsi in the "..." > portion must be CVC forms? Yes. What's going on is, a word of the form CVCCVCCVCCVCX may be lexed as CV CCVCCVCCVCX. If the word is of the form CVCCVCCCVCVCX, removing CV yields CCVCCCVCVCX, which is not a lujvo and is therefore a slinku'i; if it is of the form CVCCVCCVVCVCX, removing CV yields CCVCCVVCVCX, which is likewise a slinku'i. > The second part says that: 'X must either be a CVCCV long rafsi that > happens to have a permissible initial pair as the consonant cluster, > or is something which has caused a "y"-hyphen to be installed between > the previous CVC and itself by one of the above rules'. If X is not > one of those does that mean the test terminates with no changes > needed? Yes. Examples of these are {*baklamrectu} "musk ox meat", which breaks into {ba klamrectu} "will teach about odometry", and therefore must be {bakylamrectu}, and {*ricpudyxrula} "orchard flower", which breaks into {ri cpudyxrula} (meaning undefined), and therefore must be {ricypudyxrula} (though I prefer {ricpurdyxrula}). {baklanme} (which is a translation of the genus name Ovibos) does not need a 'y' inserted because {nme} is not a possible rafsi. > The 5c says: 'Install a "y"-hyphen at the first such joint'. Is that > the the first from right-to-left or left-to-right? If it is the > right-to-left then what is done if the first such joint is between > the X portion and it's immediately preceding CVC and a "y"-hyphen is > already at that joint? It is inserted at the leftmost joint. phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/