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From: Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: [lojban] Re: {Archivist} niltei?
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--- Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
> At 04:32 AM 11/18/03 -0800, Jorge "Llambías" wrote:
> >
> >Is the x1 of ni a klani or a se klani? The x1 of niltei should
> >be of the same type.
> 
> If one insists on jvajvo rules, I suppose so.  Maybe the byfy will get 
> around to answering the question, if it isn't obvious in the place 
> structure.  If there were no byfy, I would make a ruling; as it is, I defer 
> to others.

{klani} relates "measured"-"measurement"-"scale".

x2 of {ni} is a scale. x1 of {ni} must then be the measurement, 
because having places for the measured thing and for the
scale, but none for the measurement seems strange. I suppose
then that the measured thing must somehow be glorked from the 
bridi and the context.

> > > >Since you can say {le mi mivytei cu nanca li muno},
> > > >  it is not clear what {niltei} adds.
> > >
> > > It adds niltei as a selbri for the concept.  I'm not sure I ever claimed
> > > anything more than that.  not all selbri will be immensely useful.
> >
> >But for which concept? If it can be either the nanca or the se nanca,
> >it seems to add to the confusion.
> 
> Huh? se nanca is a pure number

Exactly. And so is {li muno}, which is what you had first as the
x1 of niltei. But then you said you could equally well have 
{lo nanca be li muno} there, the measured thing instead of the
measurement.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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