From sentto-44114-21294-1069799916-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 14:39:14 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.77]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOlps-0004BI-TG for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:39:09 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21294-1069799916-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 22:38:36 -0000 X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43295 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 22:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 22:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 22:38:34 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AOlpF-0000UA-00; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:38:29 -0500 To: klaus schmirler Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20031125223829.GB26472@mercury.ccil.org> References: <20031125180200.GU9729@digitalkingdom.org> <20031125184043.49942.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <20031125191407.GF26214@mercury.ccil.org> <3FC3CFC6.4030105@z.zgs.de> In-Reply-To: <3FC3CFC6.4030105@z.zgs.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.190.237.100 X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Profile: johnwcowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:38:29 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: bakyjba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 6791 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: cowan@ccil.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list klaus schmirler scripsit: > I'm sitting and reading where my son is sleeping, so I can't > look anything up. But in German, there is Kronsbeere, which > I always took to be an equivalent to cranberry (the plants > are probably similar but different, growing in different > continents). Krone = crown, so the crane would most likely > be a cranium, if that makes things clearer (laurel?). Right you are. Kronsbeere = Preiselbeere = _Vaccinium oxycoccus_, which does grow in North America and is called "cranberry" in English, although the N.A. commercial species is _V. macrocarpon_. But all sources agree that "cranberry" < PlattD or Du. _kranbeere_ 'crane-berry' (various spellings given). > No idea what the bil- in bilberry could be. But I doubt the > connection to blueberry, since that one is named for the > color in German, too: Blaubeere, unless you prefer to say > Schwarzbeere or Heidelbeere (blackberry, and probably > heath-berry with a gratuitious l - I'm just guessing). Blueberries and blackberries are different. The blueberry is definitely a N.A.-only species (_V. atrococcum), so its German name is probably a calque. Blackberries are genus _Rubus_. The bil- in bilberry is thought to be < ON, but I suspect this is grasping at straws. -- John Cowan jcowan@reutershealth.com http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Does anybody want any flotsam? / I've gotsam. Does anybody want any jetsam? / I can getsam. --Ogden Nash, _No Doctors Today, Thank You_ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/