From sentto-44114-21297-1069805395-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 16:10:31 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.88]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOnGE-0005sn-Ew for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:10:26 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21297-1069805395-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2003 00:09:55 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48799 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 00:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 00:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 00:09:53 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 94E00AB95; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20031125175947.GS9729@digitalkingdom.org> <20031125125804.X82334-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> <20031125181930.GZ9729@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20031125181930.GZ9729@digitalkingdom.org> Message-Id: <200311251909.51570.phma@webjockey.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 208.150.110.21 From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:09:51 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: bogjinme gi'i jimbo'u? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 6794 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tuesday 25 November 2003 13:19, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > I actually would expect elements to be fu'ivla; they seem to be an > obvious place for them. Or possibly lujvo based on atomic weight. Many of them are (e.g. {sodnrkali} "potassium"). The navni (except for navni itself) are all calques: solnavni, navni, laznynavni, mipnavni, ciznavni, dircynavni. The kliru are calques except for kliru itself and klirlxastati (oops - that should have been {klirnxastati}). In English too, many of the names are fu'ivla: sulfur, arsenic, palladium. A few are native: iron, gold, tin. Some are from other Germanic languages: bismuth, wolfram/tungsten, nickel. The ones named for people and places, such as rutherfordium, you can pretty much count on being fu'ivla in every language (though for francium, gallium, and germanium I made fu'ivla). > But if one was to make a lujvo that semantically represented an > element, I wouldn't have any expectation whatsoever of understanding > it, because my chemistry isn't good enough. While I don't always > like they way Pierre creates words, I do trust his domain knowledge > enough to expect that 'light type-of chlorine' would not be > incomprehensible to a chemist as flourine, and that silna has at > least something to do with ionization, conceptually. I didn't make up {li'orkliru}. It's in oldlog.txt, which is a list of Loglan gismu ({fluro}, in this case) with corresponding Lojban words. "Salt" is used in chemistry for a large class of ionic compounds, not just sodium chloride or sea salt (which is a mixture of salts). I also suggested a while back using {-tau} for binary compounds, not necessarily salts, such as tabno relkijytau (va'i bakrygapci, because it results from dropping acid on chalk) and tabno pavykijytau (va'i mantygapci, because it's the anhydride of mantyslami). phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/