From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Nov 26 00:33:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75317 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 08:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 08:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 08:33:15 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1AOv6o-0004jl-Fx for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:33:14 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOv6J-0004iz-5y; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:32:43 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:32:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.safelogic.se ([62.119.45.210] helo=mail.safelogic.se) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOv61-0004ie-0a for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:32:25 -0800 Received: from ludvig.safelogic.se (unknown [192.168.100.16]) by mail.safelogic.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BC2F3C9 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:32:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: [lojban] Re: bakyjba In-Reply-To: <20031125192257.GG9729@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20031125180200.GU9729@digitalkingdom.org> <20031125184043.49942.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <20031125191407.GF26214@mercury.ccil.org> <20031125192257.GG9729@digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-Id: <1069835538.29757.12.camel@ludvig.safelogic.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:32:19 +0100 X-archive-position: 6798 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: d95mback@dtek.chalmers.se X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Martin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Norb=E4ck?= From: Martin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Norb=E4ck?= Reply-To: d95mback@dtek.chalmers.se X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21279 tis 2003-11-25 klockan 20.22 skrev Robin Lee Powell: > On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 02:14:07PM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > > Other species in Vaccinium include the lingonberry = mountain > > cranberry, the whortleberry = huckleberry, and the bilberries > > (it's possible that "blueberry" is a folk etymology of > > "bilberry"). > > I have heard that bilberries are the only truly blue fruit. The fruit that we in Sweden call "blåbär" [blueberry] is Vaccinium myrtillus which may be what you call "bilberry". They are very much blue, see for instance this picture: http://www.voringfossen.com/flora/blaabaer.jpg The English "blueberry" seems to be Vaccinium corymbosum, which can be found in North America and Asia. In general, since different plants grow in different places, the only clean solution is to use the systematic names. There are some guidelines for lojbanizing them in the CLL (Chapter 4.8). So the two different blueberries would be "vakcinium.mirtilus" and "vakcinium.korimbosum". These a cmene but who cares. Regards, Martin