From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Nov 25 16:01:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77732 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 00:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 00:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 00:01:49 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1AOn7s-0005gS-1X for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:01:48 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOn7R-0005ff-J9; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:01:21 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:01:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1AOn7D-0005fT-F0 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:01:07 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:01:07 -0800 Subject: [lojban] Re: Is srana symmetrical? Message-ID: <20031126000107.GI9729@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031125064934.040179c0@pop.east.cox.net> <20031124184727.33947.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> <20031124180229.GR9729@digitalkingdom.org> <20031124184727.33947.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20031125064934.040179c0@pop.east.cox.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20031125183800.03072010@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031125183800.03072010@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-archive-position: 6793 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21274 On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 06:51:57PM -0500, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > At 08:53 AM 11/25/03 -0500, John Cowan wrote: > >Bob LeChevalier scripsit: > > > > > Thus in English, relevance is not perfectly symmetric, though > > > I would have trouble characterizing the asymmetry. > > > >As Master Sorcerer Seamus O Lochlainn points out in the Randall > >Garrett mystery _Too Many Magicians_, it's not relevant to a gun > >which bullets it has fired, as the wear on a gun is primarily > >mechanical; but it is very relevant to a bullet which gun fired > >it -- a point extremely important to forensic ballistics whether > >thaumaturgical or not. > > I think that is "steci". The gun is steci to the (fired) bullet, > from which it can be determined that the bullet srana the gun (and > vice versa). So you believe that srana is symmetric? -Robin -- Me: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. "Constant neocortex override is the only thing that stops us all from running out and eating all the cookies." -- Eliezer Yudkowsky http://www.lojban.org/ *** .i cimo'o prali .ui