From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Nov 25 15:56:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13999 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 23:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 23:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 23:56:10 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org ([68.228.12.146]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031125235606.UEF2192.lakemtao03.cox.net@bob.lojban.org> for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:56:06 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031125183800.03072010@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: lojbab@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:51:57 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Is srana symmetrical? In-Reply-To: <20031125135308.GG18123@mercury.ccil.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031125064934.040179c0@pop.east.cox.net> <20031124184727.33947.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> <20031124180229.GR9729@digitalkingdom.org> <20031124184727.33947.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20031125064934.040179c0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.1.17.242 From: Bob LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21273 At 08:53 AM 11/25/03 -0500, John Cowan wrote: >Bob LeChevalier scripsit: > > > Thus in English, relevance is not perfectly symmetric, though I > > would have trouble characterizing the asymmetry. > >As Master Sorcerer Seamus O Lochlainn points out in the Randall Garrett >mystery _Too Many Magicians_, it's not relevant to a gun which bullets it >has fired, as the wear on a gun is primarily mechanical; but it is very >relevant to a bullet which gun fired it -- a point extremely important >to forensic ballistics whether thaumaturgical or not. I think that is "steci". The gun is steci to the (fired) bullet, from which it can be determined that the bullet srana the gun (and vice versa). -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org