From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Nov 26 03:58:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33503 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 11:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 11:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao04.cox.net) (68.1.17.241) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 11:58:37 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org ([68.228.12.146]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031126115836.GBMZ19895.lakemtao04.cox.net@bob.lojban.org> for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:58:36 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031126064212.03070b30@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: lojbab@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:44:40 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Is srana symmetrical? In-Reply-To: <20031126000107.GI9729@digitalkingdom.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031125183800.03072010@pop.east.cox.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20031125064934.040179c0@pop.east.cox.net> <20031124184727.33947.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> <20031124180229.GR9729@digitalkingdom.org> <20031124184727.33947.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20031125064934.040179c0@pop.east.cox.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20031125183800.03072010@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.1.17.241 From: Bob LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21283 At 04:01 PM 11/25/03 -0800, Robin wrote: >On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 06:51:57PM -0500, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > > At 08:53 AM 11/25/03 -0500, John Cowan wrote: > > >Bob LeChevalier scripsit: > > > > > > > Thus in English, relevance is not perfectly symmetric, though > > > > I would have trouble characterizing the asymmetry. > > > > > >As Master Sorcerer Seamus O Lochlainn points out in the Randall > > >Garrett mystery _Too Many Magicians_, it's not relevant to a gun > > >which bullets it has fired, as the wear on a gun is primarily > > >mechanical; but it is very relevant to a bullet which gun fired > > >it -- a point extremely important to forensic ballistics whether > > >thaumaturgical or not. > > > > I think that is "steci". The gun is steci to the (fired) bullet, > > from which it can be determined that the bullet srana the gun (and > > vice versa). > >So you believe that srana is symmetric? I think it is usually symmetric, but I would not want to make it a guarantee lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org