From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Nov 08 14:33:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55318 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 22:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 22:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 22:33:01 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1AIbdc-00043s-KS for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:33:00 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AIbd7-00043D-Fd; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:32:29 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:32:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from yuha.menta.net ([212.78.128.42]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AIbcr-000432-16 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:32:13 -0800 Received: from gibson.menta.net ([212.78.128.22]) by yuha.menta.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HO21CD02.6ND for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:33:49 +0100 Received: from vicerveza.atutiplen.net ([62.57.139.16]) by gibson.menta.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 gibson Mar 14 2002 21:29:48) with ESMTP id HO21FF00.P5K for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:35:39 +0100 Received: from llimona (llimona [192.168.1.3]) by vicerveza.atutiplen.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764F112C16 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:41:15 +0100 (CET) Received: by llimona (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A6FA61BF8B13; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:33:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:33:09 +0100 Subject: [lojban] Re: two 't' sounds Message-ID: <20031108223309.GB6507@llimona.atutiplen.net> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <10.37e4dfe4.2cde535c@wmconnect.com> <20031108152456.GA3368@llimona.atutiplen.net> <200311081214.57956.phma@webjockey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200311081214.57956.phma@webjockey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 6611 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: viric@vicerveza.homeunix.net X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-From: Llu'is Batlle i Rossell From: Llu'is Batlle i Rossell Reply-To: viric@vicerveza.homeunix.net X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21092 On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 12:14:57PM -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 08 November 2003 10:24, Llu'is Batlle i Rossell wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 09:10:36AM -0500, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com > wrote: > > I agree about the comment about 'e'... Well, that's one thing I wanted to > > expose in the comment you replied to. :) > > > > And about Russian T.... I've just begun studying Russian now. I begun first > > year in October. :) > > It's hard for me to make soft (palatalized) consonants... and for me, > > russian soft 't' sounded like 't' in "tear" or "time". > > I see I have a lot to learn yet. :) > > By "tear" do you mean "selklaku" or "lapfendi"? > ue mi pu pensi ledu'u selklaku ui > > Anyway... is that soft 't' accepted as lojban 't'? > > I don't think that soft 't' should be used as lojban 't'; e.g. "sputu" could > be misheard as "sputiu". I ran down the gismu ending in "tV" where 'V' is not > 'i', inserting 'i', and none of the resulting words mean anything AFAIK, but > such a pair is possible. There is a word "strutione", but no "strutone" > AFAIK. Aha. Perfect. -- "... el quid de la qüestió està en l'educació: en la filosofia didàctica, l'opció ignorància hauria d'existir: tu què vols ser? Jo, enginyer; jo, metge; jo, ignorant: és a dir, vull aprendre a viure però no vull saber-ho tot." -- Pau Riba, entrevista a "Paper de Vidre", núm. 5