From ragnarok@pobox.com Sat Nov 08 09:21:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46026 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 17:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 17:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.230) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 17:21:04 -0000 Received: from craig [209.42.212.114] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.15) id A60131B00E6; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:21:05 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: two 't' sounds Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:20:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <200311081214.57956.phma@webjockey.net> Importance: Normal From: "Craig" X-Originating-IP: 209.42.192.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21090 >> I agree about the comment about 'e'... Well, that's one thing I wanted to >> expose in the comment you replied to. :) >> >> And about Russian T.... I've just begun studying Russian now. I begun first >> year in October. :) >> It's hard for me to make soft (palatalized) consonants... and for me, >> russian soft 't' sounded like 't' in "tear" or "time". >> I see I have a lot to learn yet. :) >By "tear" do you mean "selklaku" or "lapfendi"? >> Anyway... is that soft 't' accepted as lojban 't'? >I don't think that soft 't' should be used as lojban 't'; e.g. "sputu" could >be misheard as "sputiu". I ran down the gismu ending in "tV" where 'V' is not >'i', inserting 'i', and none of the resulting words mean anything AFAIK, but >such a pair is possible. There is a word "strutione", but no "strutone" >AFAIK. However, there's nothing worng with using a soft t when the next letter *is* an i. For instance, xruti. -- .kreig.daniyl. "Well, perl can do pretty much anything as long as it is hard to read." -ShawnF ragnarok@pobox.com teucer@bnomic.org