From phma@webjockey.net Sat Nov 08 09:15:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39216 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 17:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 17:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 17:15:00 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C2AD84E36; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: two 't' sounds Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:14:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <10.37e4dfe4.2cde535c@wmconnect.com> <20031108152456.GA3368@llimona.atutiplen.net> In-Reply-To: <20031108152456.GA3368@llimona.atutiplen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200311081214.57956.phma@webjockey.net> From: Pierre Abbat X-Originating-IP: 208.150.110.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21089 On Saturday 08 November 2003 10:24, Llu'is Batlle i Rossell wrote: > On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 09:10:36AM -0500, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > I agree about the comment about 'e'... Well, that's one thing I wanted to > expose in the comment you replied to. :) > > And about Russian T.... I've just begun studying Russian now. I begun first > year in October. :) > It's hard for me to make soft (palatalized) consonants... and for me, > russian soft 't' sounded like 't' in "tear" or "time". > I see I have a lot to learn yet. :) By "tear" do you mean "selklaku" or "lapfendi"? > Anyway... is that soft 't' accepted as lojban 't'? I don't think that soft 't' should be used as lojban 't'; e.g. "sputu" could be misheard as "sputiu". I ran down the gismu ending in "tV" where 'V' is not 'i', inserting 'i', and none of the resulting words mean anything AFAIK, but such a pair is possible. There is a word "strutione", but no "strutone" AFAIK. phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman.