From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Thu Nov 06 06:49:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18127 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 14:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 14:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41904.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.155) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 14:49:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20031106144941.25341.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.69.6.39] by web41904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 06:49:41 PST Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 06:49:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: lluis's pronunciation To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031106130708.GE1461@mercury.ccil.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jorge "Llambías" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.155 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21065 --- John Cowan wrote: > Jorge Llamb?as scripsit: > > > I hear a regular trilled "r". I tend to prefer the flap rather than the > > trill for Lojban (Spanish "r" rather than "rr"). CLL lists the trill > > first among the permitted variants, but it says that in the case of "r" > > all of the variations are equally acceptable. > > Yes, as is true for most of the other letters. In the pronunciation guide, CLL says that "in all cases except 'r' the first IPA symbol shown represents the preferred pronunciation". > However, my understanding > of Spanish phonology is that initial "r", though so written, is > typically rendered as a trill: certainly there is no opposition in > initial position between "r" and "rr". Correct. But in Lojban I try not to trill even in initial position, to maintain a uniform pronunciation for "r". mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree