From cowan@ccil.org Tue Nov 25 14:38:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43295 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 22:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 22:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 22:38:34 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AOlpF-0000UA-00; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:38:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:38:29 -0500 To: klaus schmirler Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: bakyjba Message-ID: <20031125223829.GB26472@mercury.ccil.org> References: <20031125180200.GU9729@digitalkingdom.org> <20031125184043.49942.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <20031125191407.GF26214@mercury.ccil.org> <3FC3CFC6.4030105@z.zgs.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FC3CFC6.4030105@z.zgs.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.190.237.100 X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=212516 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnwcowan X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21272 klaus schmirler scripsit: > I'm sitting and reading where my son is sleeping, so I can't > look anything up. But in German, there is Kronsbeere, which > I always took to be an equivalent to cranberry (the plants > are probably similar but different, growing in different > continents). Krone = crown, so the crane would most likely > be a cranium, if that makes things clearer (laurel?). Right you are. Kronsbeere = Preiselbeere = _Vaccinium oxycoccus_, which does grow in North America and is called "cranberry" in English, although the N.A. commercial species is _V. macrocarpon_. But all sources agree that "cranberry" < PlattD or Du. _kranbeere_ 'crane-berry' (various spellings given). > No idea what the bil- in bilberry could be. But I doubt the > connection to blueberry, since that one is named for the > color in German, too: Blaubeere, unless you prefer to say > Schwarzbeere or Heidelbeere (blackberry, and probably > heath-berry with a gratuitious l - I'm just guessing). Blueberries and blackberries are different. The blueberry is definitely a N.A.-only species (_V. atrococcum), so its German name is probably a calque. Blackberries are genus _Rubus_. The bil- in bilberry is thought to be < ON, but I suspect this is grasping at straws. -- John Cowan jcowan@reutershealth.com http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Does anybody want any flotsam? / I've gotsam. Does anybody want any jetsam? / I can getsam. --Ogden Nash, _No Doctors Today, Thank You_