From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Sat Nov 15 12:57:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10391 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 20:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 20:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 20:57:32 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1AL7St-0007iB-3s for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:56:19 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AL7SS-0007hf-Un; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:55:52 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41901.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.152]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AL7SE-0007hB-GQ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:55:38 -0800 Message-ID: <20031115205620.58442.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [157.92.4.2] by web41901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:56:20 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:56:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [lojban] Re: COI, UI (was Re: cfari) In-Reply-To: <20031115202231.GA14061@mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 6719 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com From: Jorge "Llambías" Reply-To: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21200 --- Rob Speer wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:42:57AM -0800, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > You can always resort to full explicit predicates: > > > > ko'a le zvati cu sepli lo mitre be li pare > > Ko'a from here is separated by 12 meters. > > But that's still not "12 meters", it's "something that is 12 meters > long". 12 meters is 12 meters long, isn't it? > If ko'a and I are a meter away from each other, on opposite sides of a > 12-meter plank, that would still be true. True. To be more precise you would need to fill the x3 of mitre indicating that it is in the direction from ko'a to you. But in general, context would seem to be enough. (Of course, my "va lo mitre be li pare" suffers from identical ambiguity. Here, "lo mitre be li pare" specifies the displacement, but it doesn't absolutely guarantee that the x3 of mitre has to be taken as expected. In fact, "va" is just a shortcut for "fi'o te sepli be le manri". mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree