From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Nov 14 21:19:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87120 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 05:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2003 05:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 05:19:27 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1AKspK-0007iT-RE for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:18:30 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AKsoq-0007hJ-3M; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:18:00 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu ([18.7.7.76]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AKsoa-0007h2-3m for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:17:44 -0800 Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAF5IaPV028378 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAF5IZvl025492 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from torg.mit.edu (TORG.MIT.EDU [18.208.0.57]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id hAF5IZ4e004593 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from rob by torg.mit.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AKspF-0002RP-00 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:18:25 -0500 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:18:25 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: COI, UI (was Re: cfari) Message-ID: <20031115051825.GB9314@mit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20031114194518.GB5394@skunk.reutershealth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-archive-position: 6711 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rspeer@MIT.EDU X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-From: Rob Speer From: Rob Speer Reply-To: rspeer@MIT.EDU X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21192 On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 07:27:48PM -0800, Theo Reed wrote: > > > Right. But 12 meters is {lo mitre be li pare}. > > > > Alas, no; it designates something 12 meters long, not 12 > > meters as a quantity. That problem is still unsolved, > > leading to the kludge li paremy. > > How would you discuss 12 meters as a quantity without discussing something that > is 12 meters long? 2 masses of 6 meters each, or what? How about the phrase "12 meters from here", or "five minutes ago", or any such quantified tense that has no good way to be specified in Lojban? -- mu'o mi'e rab.spir