From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Nov 21 00:56:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47509 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 08:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 08:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao04.cox.net) (68.1.17.241) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 08:56:00 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org ([68.228.12.146]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031121085559.ZORN19895.lakemtao04.cox.net@bob.lojban.org> for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:55:59 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031121035343.0365c8a0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: lojbab@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:57:16 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: {Archivist} niltei? In-Reply-To: <20031119135323.54343.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031118192733.03581680@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Bob LeChevalier X-Originating-IP: 68.1.17.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21225 At 05:53 AM 11/19/03 -0800, you wrote: >--- Bob LeChevalier wrote: > > At 04:32 AM 11/18/03 -0800, Jorge "Llamb=EDas" wrote: > > > > > >Is the x1 of ni a klani or a se klani? The x1 of niltei should > > >be of the same type. > > > > If one insists on jvajvo rules, I suppose so. Maybe the byfy will get > > around to answering the question, if it isn't obvious in the place > > structure. If there were no byfy, I would make a ruling; as it is, I=20 > defer > > to others. > >{klani} relates "measured"-"measurement"-"scale". > >x2 of {ni} is a scale. x1 of {ni} must then be the measurement, >because having places for the measured thing and for the >scale, but none for the measurement seems strange. I suppose >then that the measured thing must somehow be glorked from the >bridi and the context. The thing measured by a ni predicate is the bridi contained in the=20 ni. We've been around this before, as to whether it measures ka bridi=20 (with or without places marked with lambda), and I don't know where=20 everyone else stands these days, and prefer to leave it to byfy to decide. lojbab --=20 lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org