From rheiss@sprynet.com Fri Nov 21 18:30:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rheiss@sprynet.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20419 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 02:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2003 02:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2003 02:30:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2003 02:30:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:30:27 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: critu tcima Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031121195347.68174.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1175 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Robert Heiss" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.66.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35054299 X-Yahoo-Profile: brtais X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21233 Yes, I reversed the meaning during a sloppy edit. At first I composed: ba'a lenu CAUSE cu rinka lenu EFFECT Because this was long and contained a nested abstraction, I searched=20 the CLL book for a simplification using the ri'a modal. Following the=20 pattern in Chapter 10, Example 23.7, on page 249, I rewrote: ba'a ri'agi CAUSE gi EFFECT Before posting, I used a computer parser to check grammar, and=20 discovered a mistake (*gi'e vi ri) elsewhere. After studying and=20 fixing that, the computer's gloss suggested that CAUSE and EFFECT=20 should be swapped. Having turned pages in CLL, I unwisely accepted=20 the computer's interpretation and swapped bridis. Thanks for the helpful tiki reference! --- In lojban@yahoogroups.com, Jorge "Llamb=EDas" =20 wrote: >=20 > la brtais cusku di'e >=20 > > .i ba'a ri'agi mi'a sakli ca lenu mi'a klama > > gi lei snime joi pezli ku cpana le klaji >=20 > In {ri'a gi X gi Y}, X is the cause and Y the effect. > You probably want {seri'a} there. See=20 > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3Dtags+as+connectives > for some discussion about this. >=20 > mu'o mi'e xorxes