From ragnarok@pobox.com Thu Nov 06 18:43:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32616 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2003 02:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2003 02:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.228) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2003 02:43:00 -0000 Received: from craig [209.42.212.114] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.14) id A6AFF530084; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:42:55 -0500 To: "Pierre Abbat" , Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: lluis's pronunciation Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:39:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200311061816.00009.phma@webjockey.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "Craig" X-Originating-IP: 209.42.192.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21079 >> In addition, "se cmene" and "te smuni" sound like "ze jmene" and "te zmuni" >> to me. Fortunately, "jmene" and "zmuni" cannot exist, but "ze" for "se" >> is more serious. It's important not to obliterate voicing distinctions >> anywhere in Lojban. >They can exist, they just don't. "jmifa" and "zmiku" do exist. However, if he >had pronounced "se cnino" as "ze jnino", that would have lexed as one word >"zejnino" (which doesn't exist either). Similarly for "te znada". zejnino is invalid. It breaks up into ze jnino, even though there's no such word as jnino. -- .kreig.daniyl. "Man lojban needs more stupid infomercials featuring fucked up green guys." -Jadenbane ragnarok@pobox.com teucer@bnomic.org