From MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Sat Nov 08 06:11:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29251 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 14:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 14:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 14:11:58 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1AIToj-0007zK-EB for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 06:11:57 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AIToH-0007yj-EI; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 06:11:29 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 08 Nov 2003 06:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.161]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AITo1-0007yL-B8 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 06:11:13 -0800 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id d.10.37e4dfe4 (3948) for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:10:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10.37e4dfe4.2cde535c@wmconnect.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:10:36 EST Subject: [lojban] two 't' sounds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10.37e4dfe4.2cde535c_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 12 X-archive-position: 6606 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Reply-To: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137764184 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbaner X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21087 --part1_10.37e4dfe4.2cde535c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > there are two kinds of "t" (Russian have the two ones). One is like the > spanish 't', and the other one is the English 't'. In russian, there are soft > vowels, which soften the consonant just before the vowel. For example, "ye" > vowel after a "t" ("tye"), is pronounced as a . But if > you write "te", it's pronounced as . > russian does indeed have two 't' sounds: one hard and one soft (palatalized). english 't' and spanish 't' are indeed different, but the difference is not the same as the two russian sounds. and the quality of the russian 'e' sounds does not change in open syllables - it's still the open 'e' sound, which is also the sound i use in "stevo". :-) [the vowel sound between two palatalized consonants in russian is 'fronted' (i think that's the term). i.e. p'at' ('five') has /a/ as in 'cat', 'man', 'attack'. if either or both of the consonants is hard, then the vowel remains open as 'a' in the regular russian pronunciation of 'a'. with 'e', the result is a sound much closer to the closed 'e' of italian (and maybe spanish next to 's'), versus the normal open sound of 'get', 'gem', 'bet'.] stevo stevo --part1_10.37e4dfe4.2cde535c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
there are two kinds of "t= " (Russian have the two ones). One is like the
spanish 't', and the other one is the English 't'. In russian, there ar= e soft
vowels, which soften the consonant just before the vowel. For example, = "ye"
vowel after a "t" ("tye"), is pronounced as a <English t + spanish e= >. But if
you write "te", it's pronounced as <Spanish t + spanish e>.

russian does indeed have two 't' sounds: one hard and= one soft (palatalized).  english 't' and spanish 't' are indeed diffe= rent, but the difference is not the same as the two russian sounds.  a= nd the quality of the russian 'e' sounds does not change in open syllables = - it's still the open 'e' sound, which is also the sound i use in "stevo". =   :-)     
[the vowel sound between two palatalized consonants in russian is 'fron= ted' (i think that's the term).  i.e.  p'at'  ('five') has /= a/ as in 'cat', 'man', 'attack'.  if either or both of the consonants = is hard, then the vowel remains open as 'a' in the regular russian pronunci= ation of 'a'.  with 'e', the result is a sound much closer to the clos= ed 'e' of italian (and maybe spanish next to 's'), versus the normal open s= ound of 'get', 'gem', 'bet'.]

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