From phma@webjockey.net Thu Nov 06 15:16:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75616 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 23:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 23:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 23:16:02 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 54BBC4DCF; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: lluis's pronunciation Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:15:59 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20031106124804.31680.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> <20031106130708.GE1461@mercury.ccil.org> In-Reply-To: <20031106130708.GE1461@mercury.ccil.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200311061816.00009.phma@webjockey.net> From: Pierre Abbat X-Originating-IP: 208.150.110.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21078 On Thursday 06 November 2003 08:07, John Cowan wrote: > In addition, "se cmene" and "te smuni" sound like "ze jmene" and "te zmuni" > to me. Fortunately, "jmene" and "zmuni" cannot exist, but "ze" for "se" > is more serious. It's important not to obliterate voicing distinctions > anywhere in Lojban. They can exist, they just don't. "jmifa" and "zmiku" do exist. However, if he had pronounced "se cnino" as "ze jnino", that would have lexed as one word "zejnino" (which doesn't exist either). Similarly for "te znada". phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman.