From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Nov 07 17:12:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62303 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1AIHeX-0005Q1-8q for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:12:37 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AIHe5-0005PV-J3; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:12:09 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com ([24.93.47.41] helo=ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AIHdp-0005PM-1c for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:11:53 -0800 Received: from fracture (cs24349-133.austin.rr.com [24.243.49.133]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id hA81Bn2I001620 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:11:50 -0600 (CST) Received: by fracture (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:23:37 -0600 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:23:37 -0600 Subject: [lojban] Re: Question on "ro" Message-ID: <20031108012337.GA74231@allusion.net> References: <20031107231047.27542.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> <20031107185102.Y89889-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031107185102.Y89889-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-archive-position: 6604 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-From: "Jordan DeLong" From: "Jordan DeLong" Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21085 --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 06:51:40PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > --- "Stefan \"1of3\" Koch" wrote: > > > coi. > > > > > > Some time ago there was a discussion on this list whether "ro" is imp= orting > > > or not. I wasn't able to follow the discussion at that time since I d= idn't > > > have enough knowledge of logics. > > > > > > By now I am a student of math (and Latin but that doesn't matter here= ) and I > > > can see the problem. I just don't know what the result of the discuss= ion > > > was. I don't want to start the discussion all over again but I want t= o know > > > whether any consensus was found. > > > > > > ki'e mu'omi'e ctefan. > > > > You may or may not find the answer here: :) > > > > > > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3Dquantification+and+the= +meaning+of+ro >=20 > Whether or not a consensus was found probably depends on whom you ask. Note that this is one of the types of things the bpfk was supposed to make official statements on, as a contradiction can be found in CLL on the topic: it both asserts that ro is importing and declares rules for naku boundaries which require it to be nonimporting. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline [Attachment content not displayed.] --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S--