From sentto-44114-21341-1070324178-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 16:16:58 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:16:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.86]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AQyDl-0001lD-5h for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:16:53 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21341-1070324178-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2003 00:16:21 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35096 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 00:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 00:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 00:16:17 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 20839AB95; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20031201224832.50843.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031201224832.50843.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <200312011916.09435.phma@webjockey.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 208.150.110.21 From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:16:09 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: fu'ivla rafsi and r-hyphens Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 6837 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Monday 01 December 2003 17:48, Jorge "Llambías" wrote: > > In my proposal, a rafsi that immediately precedes a fu'ivla rafsi must > > end in > > > > a consonant, so if you want to use a cmavo with no CVC rafsi, you have to > > use {zei}. I hadn't thought of {ba'oryglauka}; if it works, and all cmavo > > that have rafsi have a CVV or CVC rafsi, it would be a way to make lujvo > > with them. (I'll check later. I have an errand to run.) > > "dza" and "jve" appear to be the only CCV rafsi for cmavo, and both > have other forms, namely "dav" and "jev". > > We need an additional rule: when a rafsi fu'ivla is preceded by a CVV > rafsi, this rafsi will sometimes have to be y-separated from its > preceding rafsi, if any. For example: {bardyba'oryglauka} for the > lujvo formed from {barda-banro-glauka}. {braba'oryglauka} is a lujvo > formed from two fu'ivla {braba'orV} and {glauka}, not from {braba'o} > and {glauka}. > > The "sometimes" needs to be worked out in more detail. As my proposal currently stands, {ba'oryglauka} is not a word; the rafsi before a fu'iva rafsi must end with a consonant, and that's how I'll write the program. Once we have working code handling both proposals, then we can try new rules out. phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/