From phma@webjockey.net Mon Dec 01 16:16:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35096 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 00:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2003 00:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 00:16:17 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 20839AB95; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: fu'ivla rafsi and r-hyphens Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:16:09 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20031201224832.50843.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031201224832.50843.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312011916.09435.phma@webjockey.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 208.150.110.21 From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21319 On Monday 01 December 2003 17:48, Jorge "Llamb=EDas" wrote: > > In my proposal, a rafsi that immediately precedes a fu'ivla rafsi must > > end in > > > > a consonant, so if you want to use a cmavo with no CVC rafsi, you have = to > > use {zei}. I hadn't thought of {ba'oryglauka}; if it works, and all cma= vo > > that have rafsi have a CVV or CVC rafsi, it would be a way to make lujv= o > > with them. (I'll check later. I have an errand to run.) > > "dza" and "jve" appear to be the only CCV rafsi for cmavo, and both > have other forms, namely "dav" and "jev". > > We need an additional rule: when a rafsi fu'ivla is preceded by a CVV > rafsi, this rafsi will sometimes have to be y-separated from its > preceding rafsi, if any. For example: {bardyba'oryglauka} for the > lujvo formed from {barda-banro-glauka}. {braba'oryglauka} is a lujvo > formed from two fu'ivla {braba'orV} and {glauka}, not from {braba'o} > and {glauka}. > > The "sometimes" needs to be worked out in more detail. As my proposal currently stands, {ba'oryglauka} is not a word; the rafsi=20 before a fu'iva rafsi must end with a consonant, and that's how I'll write= =20 the program. Once we have working code handling both proposals, then we can= =20 try new rules out. phma --=20 .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman.