From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Mon Dec 01 12:51:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63255 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 20:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 20:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 20:49:14 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1AQuvk-00069B-4p for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:46:04 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AQuvD-00067E-B9; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:45:31 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:45:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41904.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AQuuz-00066k-8Q for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:45:17 -0800 Message-ID: <20031201204445.20214.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:44:45 PST Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:44:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [lojban] Re: fu'ivla rafsi and r-hyphens In-Reply-To: <200312011502.25413.phma@webjockey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 6833 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 From: Jorge "Llambías" Reply-To: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21315 --- Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday 01 December 2003 11:17, Jorge "Llambí¡³" wrote: > > --- Pierre Abbat wrote: > > > In the CCVVCV fu'ivla rafsi proposal, if a CVV rafsi precedes a fu'ivla > > > rafsi, > > > is an r-hyphen needed? > > > > Can you remind us where the details of the proposal are? > > I remember that consonant ending rafsi could precede > > fu'ivla rafsi by inserposing a -y-, but how could vowel > > ending rafsi precede fu'ivla rafsi? And why wouldn't a CVV > > rafsi fall off without an r-hyphen? > > My proposal is at > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=rafsi+fu%27ivla . The CCVVCV > proposal is in section 16 of chapter 4 of the Book. OK, that's where I was looking. It is clear how one forms lujvo with CVC-, CVCC- or CCVC- rafsi followed by a fu'ivla rafsi: you just insert a -y- to separate. But it doesn't say how you can form a lujvo with CVV + fu'ivla or CCV + fu'ivla. For example, {braglauka} is itself a valid fu'ivla, so it cannot be a lujvo from {bra}+{glauka}. As for your question, {ba'oglauka} breaks up as {ba'o glauka}, so an r-hyphen would always be needed, but {ba'orglauka} is itself a valid fu'ivla, so that won't do. Perhaps {ba'oryglauka} will solve the problem for preceding CVV. For CCV that won't work though, because CCVr and CCVn have four-letter rafsi form. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/