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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: fu'ivla rafsi and r-hyphens
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:15:52 -0500
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From: Pierre Abbat <phma@webjockey.net>
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On Monday 01 December 2003 15:44, Jorge "Llamb=EDas" wrote:
> OK, that's where I was looking. It is clear how one forms lujvo
> with CVC-, CVCC- or CCVC- rafsi followed by a fu'ivla rafsi: you
> just insert a -y- to separate. But it doesn't say how you
> can form a lujvo with CVV + fu'ivla or CCV + fu'ivla. For example,
> {braglauka} is itself a valid fu'ivla, so it cannot be a lujvo
> from {bra}+{glauka}.
>
> As for your question, {ba'oglauka} breaks up as {ba'o glauka},
> so an r-hyphen would always be needed, but {ba'orglauka} is
> itself a valid fu'ivla, so that won't do. Perhaps {ba'oryglauka}
> will solve the problem for preceding CVV. For CCV that won't work
> though, because CCVr and CCVn have four-letter rafsi form.

I was asking about the Book's proposal, in which a lujvo cannot end with a=
=20
fu'ivla, so {banryglauka} is invalid. I was thinking of a word in which a=20
fu'ivla rafsi is both preceded and followed by rafsi, such as=20
{ba'orglaukyne'o}. The Book doesn't say what to do if a fu'ivla rafsi is=20
preceded by a CVV rafsi, so I wasn't sure.

In my proposal, a rafsi that immediately precedes a fu'ivla rafsi must end =
in=20
a consonant, so if you want to use a cmavo with no CVC rafsi, you have to u=
se=20
{zei}. I hadn't thought of {ba'oryglauka}; if it works, and all cmavo that=
=20
have rafsi have a CVV or CVC rafsi, it would be a way to make lujvo with=20
them. (I'll check later. I have an errand to run.)

phma
--=20
.i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
.icu'u la ma'atman.