From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Tue Dec 09 11:09:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49627 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 19:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2003 19:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 19:09:01 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1ATnED-0005D1-0j for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:09:01 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATnDh-0005CF-2P; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:08:29 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41903.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.154]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATnDQ-0005BP-J0 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:08:12 -0800 Message-ID: <20031209190741.40585.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:07:41 PST Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:07:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [lojban] Re: Thoughts on lojban prosody In-Reply-To: <20031206190525.GA9904@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 6866 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 From: Jorge "Llambías" Reply-To: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21348 --- tbovee@daypoems.net wrote: > Rhyme, I think, does not work very well in a language where most words ends > in a vowel--there are just too many possible rhymes, there's no challenge, > and so the reader is denied the pleasure of hearing a clever rhyme. My understanding is that in order for two words to rhyme, they must be equal from the stressed vowel on, not just end with the same vowel. So {catra} rhymes with {matra}, but not with {tavla}. Here are a couple of rhyming limmericks in Lojban: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=doi+dirba > I wonder, however, if it makes sense to consider lojban a strongly stressed > language. Since the aim of lojban is to be culture neutral, and since a large > portion of the human race speaks languages that do not recognize stress as a > linguistic element, then would it not be better to regard lojban neutral on > the question, to be stressed or unstressed according to the speaker's > preference? Unfortunately, stress is used as a key element in Lojban to avoid ambiguity in the resolution of words. > A syllabic count scheme, something like the Japanese haiku and waka, would > work nicely with lojban, with its vocabulary of short words. One could pack a > lot of imagery into a 5-3-5 syllable count. Here you can find some Lojban haiku: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=pemcrxaiku mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/