From jim@gonzul.net Sun Jan 25 12:32:41 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:32:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from cat.ourshack.com ([212.74.28.153] ident=exim) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Akqvq-0000Tf-7S for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:32:34 -0800 Received: from localhost.ourshack.com ([127.0.0.1] helo=taoying.local ident=jim) by cat.ourshack.com with asmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1Akqvm-000DgT-7O for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:32:30 +0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: srebandu From: Jim Cheetham To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20040122183840.GR17764@digitalkingdom.org> References: <200401212330.15845.phma@webjockey.net> <20040122060753.GP17764@digitalkingdom.org> <0CDD0AF1-4CBC-11D8-83AE-000393D7C842@gonzul.net> <20040122183840.GR17764@digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1075062670.3585.34.camel@taoying> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:31:10 +1300 X-archive-position: 7008 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jim@gonzul.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 07:38, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 10:19:16PM +1300, Jim Cheetham wrote: > > Hmmm ... also, unless a medical person speaks out, an allergy is > > not so much an erroneous response against a non-threat, as it is > > an overzealous response against otherwise benign levels of > > potentially-threatening substances.. > That simply does not apply to food allergies, sorry. Unless you > feel that wheat and corn are potentially-threatening substances? 8) Well, perhaps I do ... :-) It's in the emphasis on "potentially-", of course - any substance can be threatening if taken in the wrong quantities ... too much water will kill you (and I mean by drinking it, not breathing :-) I also thought (not being in the category myself) that problems with wheat were "intolerances", not "allergies" ... The difference seems to be one of onset - allergies occur within an observable amount of time (which for the medical profession is less than 24 hours), and intolerancies take longer (over 24 hours, possibly cumulative over weeks - and therefore difficult to identify due to the mixture of foods normally consumed over this period). As a consequence, most food testing (by FDA, or other agencies) omits testing for intolerancies. Unfortunately, there is now significant evidence to show that the "extra ingredients" in most commercially-produced foodstuffs have horrible side-effects, particularly in children. Think not only colourings, preservatives and added flavours, which are in probably over 70% of your supermarket's products, but also "ntural" added ingredients like salicylates and amines. But that's probably getting off-topic, even though I find the subject interesting :-) Back to the "potentially-threatening" ... a hayfever sufferer reacts to pollen, but most people do not. A celiac disease sufferer reacts to wheat, but most people do not. What's the difference in the etiology? In the pollen case the body over-produces histamine, which leads to rashes, sneezing, swelling, etc. I don't know much about wheat allergies, but nut allergies also lead to histamine over-production ... -jim, who has recently almost eliminated his pollen "allergy" by cutting out dairy products (the "intolerance") from his diet ...