From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue Jan 20 17:05:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44860 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 01:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 01:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1Aj6o1-0004Ef-Am for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:05:17 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1Aj6o1-0004ED-5u for lojban-out@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:05:17 -0800 Resent-From: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:05:17 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: <20040121010517.GN14172@digitalkingdom.org> Resent-To: lojban-out@lojban.org Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Afq5i-0002AQ-IZ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:38:02 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay01.tmodns.net ([208.54.142.105] helo=proradius03) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Afq5a-0002A4-MF for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:37:54 -0800 Received: from thestonecutters.net ([10.255.212.161]) by proradius03 (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0C0N7m10229 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:23:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4001EC3C.4080903@thestonecutters.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:37:16 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20040112002945.GB31364@mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20040112002945.GB31364@mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-archive-position: 6968 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.61 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:05:17 -0800 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 From: xod Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban keyboard layout X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21452 Rob Speer wrote: >On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 11:45:03PM +0000, oskar2379 wrote: > > >>I have two questions: Which layout do you think works with lojban >>the best? Has anybody put any thought into building a lojban >>keyboard layout? You are a group willing to learn a whole to >>language, so learning a whole new keyboard arrangement shouldn't be >>a stretch :) >> >>oskar >> >> > >There's been a thread before about whether QWERTY or Dvorak works better >with Lojban. Dvorak because the idea of putting all the vowels in one >place still works, and QWERTY because Dvorak moves ' out of the way. > >Then there's the evolved Lojban keyboard, generated using a >genetic-programming program someone else wrote that works on keyboard layouts: > >W H Y S F G V ' N M / = > I O A E U D C L Z J - > Q , ; B . P T K R X > >...except that keyboard is kind of weird in places, like having Z on the >home row and not T. > > Q? W? H? (Should be the shifted apostrophe, if anything at all). Why a dash? And the dot demoted away from the home row? What sort of Lojban text was used to evolve this layout, I wonder. It makes more sense for Klingon. -- "American imperialism is, by definition, a retreat away from global capitalism, a retreat from the invisible hand of markets in favor of a more dominant role for the visible fist of governments," argued Paul McCulley, a managing director of PIMCO, the world's largest bond investment fund.