From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Jan 20 17:05:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83493 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 01:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 01:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 01:05:14 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1Aj6nx-00047P-N5 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:05:13 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1Aj6nx-000476-Jp for lojban-out@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:05:13 -0800 Resent-From: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:05:13 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: <20040121010513.GK14172@digitalkingdom.org> Resent-To: lojban-out@lojban.org Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Af4o6-0001dZ-MT; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:08:42 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:08:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu ([18.7.7.76]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Af4ny-0001dQ-Kb for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:08:34 -0800 Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id i09M8Wf7023954 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id i09M8I9b003975 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from torg.mit.edu (TORG.MIT.EDU [18.208.0.57]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id i09M2vRj023676 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from rob by torg.mit.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Af4iW-0003Is-00 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:02:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:02:56 -0500 Message-ID: <20040109220256.GA12602@mit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <2.07b7.1BL5.HR8QG5@slobin.ran.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2.07b7.1BL5.HR8QG5@slobin.ran.pp.ru> X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-archive-position: 6939 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rspeer@MIT.EDU X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_NJABL_RELAY autolearn=no version=2.61 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:05:13 -0800 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Rob Speer From: Rob Speer Reply-To: rspeer@MIT.EDU Subject: [lojban] Re: shorthand for conversations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21451 On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 12:02:29AM +0300, Cyril Slobin wrote: > coi rodo > > There is often a need to express some conversation in lojban. Of course > there is a straightforward way to do it: > > la .alis. cusku lu ko'a li'u > .i la bob. cusku lu fo'a li'u > > which exactly corresponds to English: > > Alice said "this". > Bob said "that". > > But in long conversation (imagine play text) the endless repeatition of > all this "said" (lojban "cusku") quickly became boring. In English we > can use a shorter notation then: > > Alice: this. > Bob: that. What we've got already is sei - except, since you don't want to repeat "cusku" over and over, you'd have to end the sei with se'u, and here you're using quite a lot of syllables anyway: lu i sei la alis se'u ko'a i sei la bab se'u fo'a li'u You could also use to'i...toi for this. lu i to'i alis toi ko'a i to'i bab toi fo'a li'u -- sei la rab.spir cusku