From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Jan 20 17:05:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12594 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1Aj6o1-0004ES-8f for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:05:17 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1Aj6o1-0004E8-33 for lojban-out@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:05:17 -0800 Resent-From: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:05:17 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: <20040121010517.GM14172@digitalkingdom.org> Resent-To: lojban-out@lojban.org Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Afpxy-00027o-UN; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:30:02 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:29:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu ([18.7.7.76]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Afpxp-00027f-Ow for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:29:53 -0800 Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id i0C0Tqex023677 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by grand-central-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id i0C0TpeE012479 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from torg.mit.edu (TORG.MIT.EDU [18.208.0.57]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id i0C0TmRj017212 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from rob by torg.mit.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Afpxh-0008B7-00 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:29:45 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:29:45 -0500 Message-ID: <20040112002945.GB31364@mit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-archive-position: 6967 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rspeer@MIT.EDU X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_NJABL_RELAY autolearn=no version=2.61 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:05:17 -0800 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Rob Speer From: Rob Speer Reply-To: rspeer@MIT.EDU Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban keyboard layout X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21456 On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 11:45:03PM +0000, oskar2379 wrote: > I have two questions: Which layout do you think works with lojban > the best? Has anybody put any thought into building a lojban > keyboard layout? You are a group willing to learn a whole to > language, so learning a whole new keyboard arrangement shouldn't be > a stretch :) > > oskar There's been a thread before about whether QWERTY or Dvorak works better with Lojban. Dvorak because the idea of putting all the vowels in one place still works, and QWERTY because Dvorak moves ' out of the way. Then there's the evolved Lojban keyboard, generated using a genetic-programming program someone else wrote that works on keyboard layouts: W H Y S F G V ' N M / = I O A E U D C L Z J - Q , ; B . P T K R X ...except that keyboard is kind of weird in places, like having Z on the home row and not T. -- Rob Speer