From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Feb 26 07:55:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34029 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 15:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2004 15:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 15:55:01 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1AwNqm-00072A-Ab for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:55:00 -0800 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AwNpU-00070u-9G; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:53:40 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:53:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.infineon.com ([194.175.117.77]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AwNpG-00070e-V4 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:53:27 -0800 Received: from mucse007.eu.infineon.com (mucse07.ifx-mail1.com [172.29.26.172]) by smtp2.infineon.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1QFpMNO026703 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:51:23 +0100 (MET) Received: by mucse007.eu.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:52:54 +0100 Message-ID: <5DE52899FC63CC4F82AE0CD7B7D8FA930BDC7EA2@mucse005.eu.infineon.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:52:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 7134 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: Goetz.Kluge@infineon.com X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Goetz.Kluge@infineon.com From: lojban-out@lojban.org Reply-To: Goetz.Kluge@infineon.com Subject: [lojban] AW: Lojbanic philosophy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21609 > To kick it off, what do you think about transhumanism? This > concept is tied in with extropy and the singularity, believing that > we can and should strive to become better, not just by optimizing > our language but also our biology and psychology. > .... > mu'o mi'e .okus. Hi, Transhumanism is a concept which is a bit too alien to me. (I generally have difficulties with teleology and the dependence on purposes.) There may be simpler reasons for interest in Lojban. I am interested (not more) in Lojban because I speak some other "natural" languages (German, English, Japanese, French) and quite often felt, that different languages really do limit (in different ways) your ability to express yourself. In Lojban you have conscious control over this. (Some people may not like that because the limits of a language can be a nice excuse.) Unfortunately Lojban is limited by lack of users. So there remains one reason (I think, it was given in "Lojban for beginners") for me to play with it: It is a nice "intellectual toy". Unfortunately I do not have much time to play with toys these days. I thought about how to get more users. I don't believe, that any noble "mission" would help to make Lojban more popular. There are so many Missions already. The "intellectual toy" approach seems to me the most promising way to attract speakers. Perhaps one should try to get some SF writer to use it in his stories. About 10000 people play with Klingon, and that language really Limits what you can express. Promote lojban as a toy. Playing is a good reason - because even if you don't can substantiate that It is a goot reasen you still have fun with playing. Goetz