From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Feb 13 03:21:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33194 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 11:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 11:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 11:21:21 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1ArbNo-0007rj-12 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:21:20 -0800 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ArbN4-0007r3-7x; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:20:34 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.infineon.com ([194.175.117.77]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ArbMo-0007qY-WF for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:20:23 -0800 Received: from mucse007.eu.infineon.com (mucse07.ifx-mail1.com [172.29.26.172]) by smtp2.infineon.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1DBIH7A008976 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:18:17 +0100 (MET) Received: by mucse007.eu.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <16NNAQ6B>; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:19:46 +0100 Message-ID: <5DE52899FC63CC4F82AE0CD7B7D8FA930BDC7E5D@mucse005.eu.infineon.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:19:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 7100 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: Goetz.Kluge@infineon.com X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Goetz.Kluge@infineon.com From: lojban-out@lojban.org Reply-To: Goetz.Kluge@infineon.com Subject: [lojban] AW: Re: Are there Members from Germany in this Group? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21575 Hi Philip and others, Sorry for my somehow edgy answer. I hope, that one day I can answer in lojban too. I think, "normal" working people in these days are quite busy. In order to be successful, lojban has to be learned by such average people. It is difficult to do this just based on the nice publications available now from www.lojban.org. Here in Munich I don't find anybody. So I try something else: I know someone here, who is good in languages. It's his hobby. He knows 8 languages pretty well. I try to get him interested in lojban. Perhaps I'll learn from him later ;-) Best regards Goetz -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org] Im Auftrag von Philip Newton Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Februar 2004 13:45 An: lojban-list@lojban.org Betreff: [lojban] Re: Are there Members from Germany in this Group? On 10 Feb 2004 at 12:58, Goetz.Kluge@infineon.com wrote: > Good boy, Philip. Very impressive. I asssume that's sarcasm? > I think I understand the difficulties of at least one Lojbanist > (Philip) and won't jump to conclusions on how inviting the rest of you > behaves. I'm not sure what difficulties you mean. Apologies if I offended you. I suppose I should not have been so smart-alecky to reply in Lojban. Here's a translation: > On 9 Feb 2004 at 17:29, Goetz Kluge wrote: > > > Are there Members from Germany in this Group? > > .i go'i "Yes." > mu'o mi'e .filip. noi dotco le ka ce'u jbena gi'e xabju kei gi'e ku'i > glico le ka natmi ce'u "End of this message; over to you to reply. I am Philip, who is German by birth and by dwelling [i.e. who was born in Germany and who lives there], but is British by nationality." I grew up bilingually, so you can talk to me in German, too, if you prefer. There's also someone else - "biorn." or Björn Gohla ( http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~bjoern/index.html ), but I haven't seen him around in a while. I believe he's also German; he is certainly German-speaking. See also http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki- index.php?page=Meeting%20other%20lojbanists (or http://xrl.us/bf8k if that link wraps for you), which lists another couple of Lojbanists in Germany (search for "dotygu'e"). > Sorry, I am just a possible newcomer and don't understand your answer > yet. Apologies. > Could someone give me a hint to a mailing list where Lojbanists could > be addressed by newcomers in English? The lojban-beginners mailing list? Though Lojban is also used there occasionally, there is a lot of English. See http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ to subscribe. But this mailing list should also be fine. > Then I won't bother lojban gurus with English questions. I'm not a guru; apologies again if I convey that impression. My knowledge is fairly basic. mu'o mi'e .filip. -- filip.niutyn.