From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Feb 28 02:41:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31669 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 10:41:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2004 10:41:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 10:41:46 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1Ax1ui-0008Vo-OS for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:41:44 -0800 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ax1u2-0008VN-Q4; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:41:02 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:41:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from 68-234-38-146.anhmca.adelphia.net ([68.234.38.146] helo=home.surreality.us) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ax1tt-0008V3-OB for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:40:53 -0800 Received: from ben ([192.168.8.42] helo=llhosts) by home.surreality.us with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ax2Kz-0004yf-00 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 03:08:53 -0800 In-Reply-To: <162.2c28feea.2d70b837@wmconnect.com> References: <162.2c28feea.2d70b837@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-uPgzBGfzv6r7KQN6WkMs" Message-Id: <1077964819.13691.11.camel@ben.> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:40:19 -0800 X-archive-position: 7158 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: treed@surreality.us X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Theodore Reed From: Theodore Reed Reply-To: treed@surreality.us Subject: [lojban] Re: promoting a conlang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21633 --=-uPgzBGfzv6r7KQN6WkMs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-vh+HUgaRMyKXltyyVgr1" --=-vh+HUgaRMyKXltyyVgr1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 07:11, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > loglan was mentioned in robert a. heinlein's "the moon is a harsh > mistress", and i don't think loglan profited much from the reference. > i know that when i first read the book, i assumed it was a fictitious > language that heinlein made up himself. it was only after i became > aware of loglan on my own that i found references to the story and > reread the book.=20 Actually, I came into lojban as a direct result of the mention of Loglan in another Heinlein book, The Number of The Beast. I quote my journal entry from 2001-10-26: While reading a chapter in Number of the Beast, I came across a reference to Fortran and Loglan (one of the characters is a programer). Naturally, I think "I know fortran is a proglang, but was Loglan ever used as one?", having only the knowledge that Loglan is a constructed language. So, I jump on google and search. =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 As a result of this googling, I found both Loglan and Lojban. After an initial stint with Loglan, I determined that a language with no community is ass, and move to Lojban. Soon after, I join Lojban IRC and have been hanging around ever since. In fact, Lojban IRC is probably the only reason I've stuck with it so long. If the Esperanto IRC channels had been as full of people with the same interests as me, I probably would have stuck with that too. Of course, you point out that you thought Heinlein had made up Loglan. I only barely knew that Loglan actually existed, and the nature of its existance, so I guess that argument could be made, but I am an example of one who was pulled in by such a mention. Before I read that book, I never cared much about this language. (What's really amusing is that it's only a passing mention. I read MIAHM later and realized just how passing it is, in comparison.) --=20 Theodore Reed --=-vh+HUgaRMyKXltyyVgr1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 07:11, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote:
loglan was mentioned in robert a. heinlein's "= the moon is a harsh mistress", and i don't think loglan profited much = from the reference.  i know that when i first read the book, i assumed= it was a fictitious language that heinlein made up himself.  it was o= nly after i became aware of loglan on my own that i found references to the= story and reread the book.

Actually, I came into lojban as a direct result of the mention of Loglan in= another Heinlein book, The Number of The Beast.

I quote my journal entry from 2001-10-26:

While reading a chapter in Number of the Beast, I came across a = reference to Fortran and Loglan (one of the characters is a programer). Nat= urally, I think "I know fortran is a proglang, but was Loglan ever use= d as one?", having only the knowledge that Loglan is a constructed lan= guage. So, I jump on google and search.

As a result of this googling, I found both Loglan and Lojban. After an init= ial stint with Loglan, I determined that a language with no community is as= s, and move to Lojban. Soon after, I join Lojban IRC and have been hanging = around ever since. In fact, Lojban IRC is probably the only reason I've stu= ck with it so long. If the Esperanto IRC channels had been as full of peopl= e with the same interests as me, I probably would have stuck with that too.=

Of course, you point out that you thought Heinlein had made up Loglan. I on= ly barely knew that Loglan actually existed, and the nature of its existanc= e, so I guess that argument could be made, but I am an example of one who w= as pulled in by such a mention. Before I read that book, I never cared much= about this language. (What's really amusing is that it's only a passing me= ntion. I read MIAHM later and realized just how passing it is, in compariso= n.)
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Theodore Reed <treed@surrealit= y.us>
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