From xeubie@hotmail.com Fri Feb 20 13:50:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: xeubie@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80190 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 21:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 21:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 21:50:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:50:31 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <04021923535403.02957@neofelis> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1187 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "la_okus" X-Originating-IP: 69.162.47.2 Subject: Re: preposition disposition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170795535 X-Yahoo-Profile: la_okus X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21602 --- Pierre Abbat wrote: > Lojban brivla aren't entirely consistent either. For instance, all verbs of > measurement take the thing being measured in first place and the number in > second, but the standard is not always in third - for {mitre} it's in fourth. This is an interesting point. There are a few inconsistencies, but from what I understand, it is because consistency wasn't the only variable in gismu-creation. If consistency was followed religiously, "klama" would have a agent that caused the going -- something like "x1 takes x2 to x3....", which means we would have to omit it every time we just want to say "x1 goes...". Currently, I'm satisfied with the current balance between consistency and convenience. That may change if you can convince me that there is nothing about mitre to make it deserve a special x3 place in comparison with the other measurement words. FYI, "mile" has a special x3 position as well, for subunits (whatever that means). Some inconsistencies may not be needed, like the place structures of notci and xatra: "notci" 1 is a message about 2 from 3 to 4 "xatra" 1 is a letter to 2 from 3 about 4 mu'o mi'e okus