From xod@thestonecutters.net Thu Feb 26 14:43:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90842 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 22:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2004 22:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 22:43:00 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1AwUDb-00048d-LZ for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:42:59 -0800 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AwUCj-00047l-Ev; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:42:05 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:42:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from thestonecutters.net ([63.251.19.112] helo=chert.thestonecutters.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AwUCX-00047b-88 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:41:53 -0800 Received: from thestonecutters.net (p78-77.acedsl.com [66.114.78.77]) by chert.thestonecutters.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD44E148009 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:36:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <403E762B.4050508@thestonecutters.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:41:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-archive-position: 7146 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 From: xod Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojbanic philosophy (Goetz & Craig) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21621 la_okus wrote: >la .go,ets. cusku di'e > > > >>Hi, >> >>Transhumanism is a concept which is a bit too alien to me. >>(I generally have difficulties with teleology and the dependence >>on purposes.) There may be simpler reasons for interest in >> >> >Lojban. > > >>[ . . . ] >>About 10000 people play with Klingon, and that language really >>Limits what you can express. Promote lojban as a toy. Playing >> >> >is > > >>a good reason - because even if you don't can substantiate >> >> >that > > >>It is a goot reasen you still have fun with playing. >> >> >>Goetz >> >> > >Would you consider yourself a hedonist (one whose purpose is >pleasure)? If so, wouldn't you consider that teleology? I'm not >interested in using philosophy to make lojban more attractive, >but possibly the other way around. At any rate, good ideas. > > If Lojban can improve communication, and thought, then it should certainly hold promise for philosophy. Also, learning Lojban for the Sapir-Whorf benefits is indeed an extropian project. I'm not sure that it will really work until there's at least one family that speaks it at home. We don't seem to be able to get enough speech time for a dramatic mental effect; a weekend is not enough immersion. -- "The war was supposed to be quick. We were supposed to be greeted as liberators. It was to pay for itself with oil revenues. And we were supposed to find chemical and biological weapons." Col. Sam Gardiner USAF-retired, National Defense University