From sentto-44114-21809-1080170938-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 19:43:49 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:43:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.102]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6LmP-0006Iy-6P for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:43:41 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21809-1080170938-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2004 23:28:58 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21065 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 21:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2004 21:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 21:39:19 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9A0122E7; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200403242119.i2OLJOG12020@xahlee.org> In-Reply-To: <200403242119.i2OLJOG12020@xahlee.org> Message-Id: <200403241639.18224.phma@webjockey.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 208.150.110.21 From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:39:18 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: reply to a negated selbri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 7308 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Wednesday 24 March 2004 16:19, xahlee.org wrote: > i find this quite unclear about what it means, because: > * it is not well-known how average English speaker responds to negated > question. (assuming that average English speaker does in fact respone in > one way.) * I find the passage confusing as is written. For example, it is > not clear to me what "double negative" means as used. * it didn't give > example to illustrate one way or the other. "double negative" means e.g. "this is not not white", which means "this is white". > So for example, if someone asks: > > This is not white? > > and i wanted to reply that it is white, i think average English speaker > would answer "yes". (more likely: "that's right!"). I would answer "it is" or "it isn't", because I don't know what the listener would understand by "yes" or "no". > According to the "What is lojban" paragraph cited above, if we have a > conversation thus: A: "xu ti na blabi" > B: "na go'i" > > what B is means is that "it is not white". Am i right here? Yes, and "go'i" would mean the same, and "ja'a go'i" would mean "it is white". phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/