From sentto-44114-21854-1080458521-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Mar 27 23:22:42 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:22:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.93]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B7Uct-0006WO-DB for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:22:35 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21854-1080458521-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2004 07:22:04 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54078 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 07:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 07:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 07:22:03 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B164E358; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 02:21:32 -0500 (EST) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200403280221.32021.phma@webjockey.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 208.150.110.21 From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 02:21:31 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Onomatopoeia (err, sp?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 7358 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sunday 28 March 2004 02:05, la_okus wrote: > Buzz, moo, hiss, swish. Higgledy-piggledy, topsy-turvy, hunky- > dory. Flim-flam, flip-flop, airy-fairy. Fiddle-faddle, splish-splash, > dilly-dally. Onomatopoeia are a somewhat ill-defined category of > words meant to mimic the sound of what they describe. While > some behave themselves, others have become full-blown > nouns and verbs, ready to appear anywhere in the sentence. > "MOO, Said the cow." "He knocked the 3-pointer with a > SWOOSH." "The rain PLOPPED onto the CUCKOO." > > Every language has different onomato's, which sometimes > overlap: spanish cats say "miau" and sneeze with an "achis". > Some languages, Japanese in particular, contain huge libraries > of them that drive deep into the language and even have sounds > for feelings. Japanese people go uki-uki when they're happy, > and their flickering lights go chika-chika, also used to describe > eye sore from too much TV or computer (that one applies to me, > typing this at 2AM). > > The Japanese separate onomatopoeia into three groups: > sounds of nature (gero-gero = ribbit), states of the external world > (gocha-gocha = state of disorder), and conditions of the mind > (ira-ira = frustration). How much do attitudinals overlap with this > system? How could some of these sounds be integrated > unambiguously into lojban grammar? Any other comments? There are two ways of using onomatopoeia in Lojban: *Use the cmavo {sa'ei} as a vocative: sa'ei tresk. le blaci cu farlu *Make a fu'ivla: tsaparatsa'i (ratamacue), bacrnmu (moo). phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/