From xod@thestonecutters.net Sun Mar 07 10:34:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38854 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 18:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 18:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 18:34:55 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1B0370-0007Jw-2j for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 10:34:54 -0800 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B036L-0007JK-7q; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 10:34:13 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 07 Mar 2004 10:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from thestonecutters.net ([63.251.19.112] helo=chert.thestonecutters.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B036C-0007JA-Uo for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 10:34:05 -0800 Received: from thestonecutters.net (h-67-100-55-65.NYCMNY83.dynamic.covad.net [67.100.55.65]) by chert.thestonecutters.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B6B148006 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:32:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <404B6B19.9060306@thestonecutters.net> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:34:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-archive-position: 7185 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 From: xod Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net Subject: [lojban] Re: translating the -ism's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21661 la_okus wrote: >>I use krici for belief system (creed). >> >> > >krici [ kri ] believe >x1 believes [without evidence/proof] belief/creed x2 (du'u) is true/ >assumed about subject x3 > >Judging by this definition, krici seems closer to "faith" than >"ideology". > > I assume you're referring to the "without evidence" part. That means more that the evidence isn't relevant to the gismu itself, not that there isn't any evidence at all. But many ideologies are religionistic. And most religious people feel there is plenty of evidence behind their practice. However, you might prefer instead veldjuno. -- "The war was supposed to be quick. We were supposed to be greeted as liberators. It was to pay for itself with oil revenues. And we were supposed to find chemical and biological weapons." Col. Sam Gardiner USAF-retired, National Defense University