Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 07 Mar 2004 15:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.78]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B07gw-0003Hq-Un for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 15:28:19 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21686-1078702067-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2004 23:27:48 -0000 X-Sender: xeubie@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73723 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2004 23:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2004 23:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2004 23:27:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2004 23:27:42 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.75 From: "la_okus" X-Originating-IP: 69.162.47.2 X-Yahoo-Profile: la_okus MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 23:27:40 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: translating the -ism's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 7188 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xeubie@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Content-Length: 1445 Lines: 47 --- In lojban@yahoogroups.com, "Craig" wrote: > >> I use krici for belief system (creed). > > >krici [ kri ] believe > >x1 believes [without evidence/proof] belief/creed x2 (du'u) is true/ > >assumed about subject x3 > > >Judging by this definition, krici seems closer to "faith" than > >"ideology". > > How about "birti"? birti [ bit ] certain x1 is certain/sure/positive/convinced that x2 is true Well, perhaps a birti girzu could be a collection of things you are sure about, but I think there are better ways to express the concept of an ism. Does birti have to be 100% certainty, or just a basic certainty one gets after reviewing sufficient evidence? mu'o mi'e .okus. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/