From phma@webjockey.net Sat Mar 27 23:22:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54078 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2004 07:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2004 07:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2004 07:22:03 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B164E358; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 02:21:32 -0500 (EST) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 02:21:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200403280221.32021.phma@webjockey.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 208.150.110.21 From: Pierre Abbat Subject: Re: [lojban] Onomatopoeia (err, sp?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21832 On Sunday 28 March 2004 02:05, la_okus wrote: > Buzz, moo, hiss, swish. Higgledy-piggledy, topsy-turvy, hunky- > dory. Flim-flam, flip-flop, airy-fairy. Fiddle-faddle, splish-splash, > dilly-dally. Onomatopoeia are a somewhat ill-defined category of > words meant to mimic the sound of what they describe. While > some behave themselves, others have become full-blown > nouns and verbs, ready to appear anywhere in the sentence. > "MOO, Said the cow." "He knocked the 3-pointer with a > SWOOSH." "The rain PLOPPED onto the CUCKOO." > > Every language has different onomato's, which sometimes > overlap: spanish cats say "miau" and sneeze with an "achis". > Some languages, Japanese in particular, contain huge libraries > of them that drive deep into the language and even have sounds > for feelings. Japanese people go uki-uki when they're happy, > and their flickering lights go chika-chika, also used to describe > eye sore from too much TV or computer (that one applies to me, > typing this at 2AM). > > The Japanese separate onomatopoeia into three groups: > sounds of nature (gero-gero = ribbit), states of the external world > (gocha-gocha = state of disorder), and conditions of the mind > (ira-ira = frustration). How much do attitudinals overlap with this > system? How could some of these sounds be integrated > unambiguously into lojban grammar? Any other comments? There are two ways of using onomatopoeia in Lojban: *Use the cmavo {sa'ei} as a vocative: sa'ei tresk. le blaci cu farlu *Make a fu'ivla: tsaparatsa'i (ratamacue), bacrnmu (moo). phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa