From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Mar 17 18:30:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62986 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2004 02:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2004 02:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2004 02:09:47 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1B3myg-0004dn-Ob for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:09:46 -0800 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B3mxt-0004d3-Hp; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:08:57 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1B3mxk-0004cs-Qw for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:08:48 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:08:48 -0800 Message-ID: <20040318020848.GO11847@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20040317222428.GZ11847@digitalkingdom.org> <20040318011211.GH11847@digitalkingdom.org> <20040318012328.GI11847@digitalkingdom.org> <20040318013409.GB12076@ccil.org> <20040318013958.GK11847@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040318013958.GK11847@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-archive-position: 7240 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Official parser problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21717 On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 05:39:58PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 08:34:09PM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > > Robin Lee Powell scripsit: > > > > > To parse: "lo'u mi le'u si lo'u mi le'u" > > > > > > You do step "c" of the preprocessing > > > > > > LOhU any_words_697{mi} LEhU si LOhU any_words_697{mi} LEhU > > > > > > > > > LOhU any_words_697{mi} LOhU any_words_697{mi} LEhU > > > > So far so good. But this is ungrammatical, because between LOhU and > > LEhU you have three tokens, and only one is permitted, which must be > > an any_words_697. > > > > > Now, theoretically this is one big, long lo'u...le'u string. > > > > Nope. It's OK for a "lo'u...le'u" string to contain a "lo'u" > > *word*, but what you have here is a "lo'u" *token*. > > > > > But the grammar as writen will not accomodate it. > > > > Rightly so. > > .o'onaisai > > You're glorifying an accident of the technology that was used to make > the grammar! > > No actual Lojban speaker would go, "Gee, I seem to have a lo'u token in > my input, not a lo'u word. I better give up.". > > Quite frankly, I'm stunned that you are actually supporting such an > asinine position. Ahem. Let me be more precise in my ranting. John is saying one of two things: 1. You are wrong in your reading of the grammar. That sentence definately fails because [explanation]. 2. You are wrong in your reading of the grammar. That sentence definately fails because [explanation]. This is a good thing. Because of the 'Rightly so.', I was assuming the latter. It may be that John was just describing the current reality, and not assigning a value judgement at all, in which case I hope he will accept my apology for freaking out. If John is, in fact, *supporting* this particular mis-feature as appropriate behaviour, my rant stands unaltered. -Robin -- Me: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. "Constant neocortex override is the only thing that stops us all from running out and eating all the cookies." -- Eliezer Yudkowsky http://www.lojban.org/ *** .i cimo'o prali .ui