From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Mar 29 15:16:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17670 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 23:16:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2004 23:16:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 23:16:09 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1B85zE-0000r5-73 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:16:08 -0800 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B85yW-0000qR-TM; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:15:24 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:15:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1B85yO-0000qC-AY for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:15:16 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:15:16 -0800 Message-ID: <20040329231516.GU6569@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20040329070110.GO6569@digitalkingdom.org> <20040329120955.GB16482@ccil.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040329120955.GB16482@ccil.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-archive-position: 7395 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Robin Confused (was Re: Re: "pu" versus "pu ku" and LR(1)) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21869 On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 07:09:55AM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > Robin Lee Powell scripsit: > > > Am I correct in my belief that there is absolutely nothing wrong > > with accepting the first case, given the infinite lookahead required > > to realize that the remainder is a gek-sentence and that the pu > > *must* end immediately? > > I'm a little cautious about totally identifying "pu" and "pu ku" > semantically, despite the expansive claims of the Red Book on the > subject, because I do not know what to do when the tense involves a > -roi quantification. > > Consider these four sentences: > > 1) da poi cribe roroiku zo'u da xagji > 2) roroiku da poi cribe zo'u da xagji > 3) da poi cribe cu roroi xagji > 4) roroi xagji fa da poi cribe I'm sorry, I must be missing something. In the last two cases, unless I'm seriously confused, that's just a tense binding to a selbri. Neither of them require a 'ku' to be inserted to parse, whereas the example I gave does: mi pu ge klama le zarci gi tervecnu lo cidja versus mi pu ku ge klama le zarci gi tervecnu lo cidja Only the latter is accepted by the current parser, but all of your examples are accepted, and using completely different functionality. I don't see how my examples relate to your examples. -Robin -- Me: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. "Constant neocortex override is the only thing that stops us all from running out and eating all the cookies." -- Eliezer Yudkowsky http://www.lojban.org/ *** .i cimo'o prali .ui