From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Mar 18 09:49:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69780 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2004 17:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2004 17:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2004 17:44:38 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1B41ZL-0001xZ-2K for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:44:35 -0800 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B41YX-0001wT-Lo; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:43:45 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:43:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1B41YP-0001wF-EZ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:43:37 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:43:37 -0800 Message-ID: <20040318174337.GE11847@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20040318075720.GZ11847@digitalkingdom.org> <40598020.18166.14409A@localhost> <20040318130451.GG5444@ccil.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040318130451.GG5444@ccil.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-archive-position: 7262 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: mimiklama X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21737 On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 08:04:51AM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > Philip Newton scripsit: > > > I thought you could add any number of cmavo to the beginning of any > > brivla since the beginning of the brivla was unambiguously defined > > by the consonant cluster? So for me {mimiklama} = {mi mi klama} (and > > {mimikla} would be {mi mikla} with an unknown gismu *mikla). > > Correct. Spaces are totally optional in Lojban if stress information > is available: That was my point: I wasn't indicating stress. > IMHO the Right Thing is to change all whitespace to dots to begin > with, and then work entirely with letters, stress, and pause, which > are the terms in which Nora's pseudocode is written anyway. > Just to document what the O.P. does: it checks each whitespace/dot > delimited word as follows: > > if it ends in a consonant, CMENE; > if it contains CC (ignoring all instances of "y" and "'"), BRIVLA; > if it contains CC (ignoring all instances of "y" and "'"), BRIVLA; > otherwise, split into cmavo before each consonant. That's very, very similar to how mine handles things. > This handles canonically written Lojban, except that "byfy" will be > misparsed as BRIVLA. (The rules for when "." may be omitted after BY > are a wart anyhow.) 'a wart'? (I don't recognize the expression.) > Just to give (geeky) people an idea of how old the O.P. is: > > It was originally developed on a PC AT with a 10 MB hard disk and a > '286 chip running Microsoft Xenix (a Unix System III variant), That last part is what blows my mind, not the PC AT. > with version 5 of the Microsoft C compiler for Xenix, which had a > cross-compilation mode for DOS. Damn, dude. > And it was written at a time when I had not yet decided to adopt > function prototypes, because I was concerned about lack of portability > to other Unix systems, whose pcc-based C compilers didn't yet support > them. Aaaaaah! I had been wondering about that. It makes the code freak me out. -Robin -- Me: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. "Constant neocortex override is the only thing that stops us all from running out and eating all the cookies." -- Eliezer Yudkowsky http://www.lojban.org/ *** .i cimo'o prali .ui