From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Mon Mar 29 05:23:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63062 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 13:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2004 13:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 13:23:05 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1B7wjG-0008Fs-OR for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 05:23:02 -0800 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B7wiU-0007dE-PW; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 05:22:14 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 29 Mar 2004 05:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41903.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.154]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B7wiK-0007E7-SR for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 05:22:04 -0800 Message-ID: <20040329132133.13816.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 05:21:33 PST Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 05:21:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20040329120955.GB16482@ccil.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 7390 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 From: Jorge "Llambías" Reply-To: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Subject: [lojban] Re: "pu" versus "pu ku" and LR(1) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21864 --- John Cowan wrote: > > Consider these four sentences: > > 1) da poi cribe roroiku zo'u da xagji > 2) roroiku da poi cribe zo'u da xagji > 3) da poi cribe roroi xagji > 4) roroi xagji fa da poi cribe > > There is no doubt that 1 means there's a bear that's always hungry (false) > and that 2 means there's always a hungry bear somewhere (true), and that > 4 is the same as 2. The question is, is 3 the same as 2 or the same as 1? > Arguing by analogy with na vs. naku, it's the same as 2, because the tense > before the selbri is placed at the left end of the prenex, just as a na > before the selbri is. Arguing that na vs. naku is a special case that > ought not to be imitated, 3 is the same as 1. I lean toward the latter, > and it follows from what the Red Book says, but I'm not 100% sure of it. I too prefer the latter, on the assumption that the special treatment given to na will eventually be dropped. Otherwise we end up with {ta roroi na xagji} having to mean the same as {ta na roroi xagji}, which should be different. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html