From a.rosta@v21.me.uk Thu Mar 11 16:42:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97257 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 00:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 00:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.v21.co.uk) (62.41.128.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 00:42:40 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-69-119.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.69.119]) by kaliber.flexi-surf.co.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i2C0etM07521 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:40:55 GMT Message-ID: <023e01c407ca$b0cf9980$274579d5@oemcomputer> To: References: <200403110048.08692.phma@webjockey.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:27:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.41.128.11 From: "And Rosta" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5Blojban=5D_pronouncing_'_as_th?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175222075 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21687 Pierre: > I can pronounce /bahorzuhe/ faster than /baŝorzuŝe/. /h/ requires > only a flick of the vocal cords between the vowels; /ŝ/ requires > moving the tongue. I even pronounce {fu'arka} with /h/, though > etymologically it should have /ŝ/. These should be written /ba'orzu'e/ and /'/: /'/ is a phoneme with allophones [h] and [T] (among others, such as [K], the lateral fricative). I acquired my Lojban accent before I discovered that /'/ needn't be realized as [h]. If I had known that, I would have done what Craig has done. Instead, my Lojban accent merges /'/ and /x/, especially between high vowels. --And.