From sentto-44114-21972-1081337164-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 07 04:26:46 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 07 Apr 2004 04:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.66]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBBCY-00081g-N9 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 04:26:38 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21972-1081337164-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2004 11:26:08 -0000 X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46935 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2004 11:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2004 11:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao01.cox.net) (68.230.240.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2004 11:25:59 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org ([68.228.12.146]) by lakermmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.01 201-2131-111-101-20040311) with ESMTP id <20040407112432.CAWO9186.lakermmtao01.cox.net@bob.lojban.org> for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:24:32 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040407072106.0336e840@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: lojbab@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040406185544.GD5197@digitalkingdom.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040330101942.030a6df0@pop.east.cox.net> <20040329120955.GB16482@ccil.org> <20040329070110.GO6569@digitalkingdom.org> <20040329120955.GB16482@ccil.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20040330101942.030a6df0@pop.east.cox.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.240.38 From: Bob LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 07:25:02 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: Robin Confused (was Re: Re: "pu" versus "pu ku" and LR(1)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 7476 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list At 11:55 AM 4/6/04 -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:24:30AM -0500, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > > At 03:15 PM 3/29/04 -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > >I'm sorry, I must be missing something. In the last two cases, > > >unless I'm seriously confused, that's just a tense binding to a > > >selbri. Neither of them require a 'ku' to be inserted to parse, > > >whereas the example I gave does: > > > > > > mi pu ge klama le zarci gi tervecnu lo cidja > > > > > >versus > > > > > > mi pu ku ge klama le zarci gi tervecnu lo cidja > > > > > >Only the latter is accepted by the current parser, but all of your > > >examples are accepted, and using completely different functionality. > > >I don't see how my examples relate to your examples. > > > > If the question is what the syntactic rule invalidating the first is, > > then look at .300 gek_sentence_54, second line. To tense a gek'd > > bridi-tail, you need "pu ke" and not just bare "pu". > >Right, and my point was that the only *possible* valid interpretation of >'pu' there, without 'ke', is as 'pu ku'. Appears to be a parser bug. Using -d* option on the parser we see that when it sees pu ge klama, it *is* inserting the ku. With a little fiddling with similar sentences however, it appears that while inserting the ku, it is losing the ge for some reason, and hence has no idea what to do with the gik portion when it has parsed it. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/