From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Sat Apr 24 08:34:30 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web41905.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BHPAe-00049a-17 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:34:24 -0700 Message-ID: <20040424153353.42049.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.69.6.9] by web41905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:33:53 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:33:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban] Re: traji To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 7575 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list coi evgenis i do cusku di'e > To me {traji} is the exact analog of Russian adjective "samyi" (the > nearest English analog is the suffix "-est") which does not contain > the idea of being big or small: > e.g. "bolshoi"=big, samyi bolshoi" = the bigg-est > e.g. "malenkii"=small, "samyi malenkii"=the small-est That's how I use traji too. But according to the definition in the gi'uste (at least how I read it), traji can also mean "least". So "traji barda" would be ambiguous between "biggest" and "least big", and "traji cmalu" could be "smallest" or "least small". > Respectively, I think of {zmadu} as "exceed", not necessarily bigger. > For example, from my point of view the frase > "x1 zmadu x2 le ka cmalu" is identical to "x1 mleca x2" Yes, I agree. The same as "x1 mleca x2 lo ka barda", but opposite to "x1 mleca x2 lo ka cmalu". > I think, you don't need {zmadu fa'u mleca} in the definition, just > {zmadu} would be enough. My variant: > > ko'a zmadu ja dunli ro cmima be ko'o be'o poi na du ko'a > ku'o ko'e do'e ko'i noi zmadu farna That makes somewhat more sense than the English version. I will change the lojban definition in jbovlaste accordingly if nobody else objects. I still think the x3 is rather pointless, since any property where the direction is important can have it as a part of the property x2. Most properties don't have direction. The worst thing is that this strange x3 place often interferes with the much more useful x4. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash