From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Apr 06 21:45:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4328 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2004 04:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2004 04:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2004 04:45:45 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1BB4wa-0004TO-0Z for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:45:44 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BB4vu-0004S8-Gh; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:45:02 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com ([24.93.47.41] helo=ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BB4vl-0004Ry-Rv for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:44:53 -0700 Received: from fracture (cs24349-133.austin.rr.com [24.243.49.133]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i374ioHv020420 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:44:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: by fracture (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 7 Apr 2004 00:00:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 00:00:22 -0500 Message-ID: <20040407050022.GA58395@allusion.net> References: <20040407020330.GA56476@allusion.net> <20040407033605.31989.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040407033605.31989.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-archive-position: 7472 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: "Jordan DeLong" From: "Jordan DeLong" Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net Subject: [lojban] CMENE=BRIVLA (was Re: Opinions on "mi viska le sa .i mi cusku zo .djan.") X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21943 --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 08:36:05PM -0700, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > --- Jordan DeLong wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 02:54:04PM -0700, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > > To me it is better if you just have to learn one pattern > > [...] > >=20 > > But isn't that kinda not the lojban way? > >=20 > > Lojban takes the approach that it's better to learn more if it gives > > you more power. In this case, you spend a little to learn a little > > more up front, and in return get to save syllables in the common > > cases later. >=20 > But saving a syllable here and there is not that much power. The > ability to use names as brivla gives you a lot more expressive power: >=20 > ro djan poi mi djuno cu xabju le merko > Every John I know lives in the US. [I think you meant sanji; djuno can't be used like that] Realistically, you'd likely say something more like ro me la djan. ku poi mi sanji cu xabju le merko The extra 3 syllables in that sentence are certainly going to be more than paid for by all the elided {cu} in the rest of whatever text/conversation is going on. > > Let's leave "ease of learning" goal for the billion wanna-be > > interlangs out there, no? >=20 > It's not the main virtue of Lojban, I agree, but why make it > difficult for no good reason? I don't think it's difficult. --=20 Jordan DeLong fracture@allusion.net --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline [Attachment content not displayed.] --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7--