From cowan@ccil.org Wed Apr 14 06:14:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86996 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 13:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2004 13:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 13:14:01 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BDkA6-0005Q3-00; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:10:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:10:42 -0400 To: Pierre Abbat Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20040414131042.GE25720@ccil.org> References: <194.2732bc22.2dadade0@wmconnect.com> <20040414044901.GB603@ccil.org> <200404140841.27846.phma@webjockey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200404140841.27846.phma@webjockey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.190.237.100 From: John Cowan Subject: Re: [lojban] the 17 tallest men X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=212516 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnwcowan X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22023 Pierre Abbat scripsit: > But Lojban has grammatical setness and massness, so we can say "The > subset which, considered as a mass, is tallest among the 17-element > subsets". Since the place structure of pazemei is "x1 is the mass of > set x2 which has 17 members x3", {le clarai ke nanmu pazemei} refers > to the mass and {le clarai ke nanmu te pazemei} to the individuals. That works if we say (which is somewhat counterintuitive) that the height of a mass of men is determined by totaling the heights of the men inside the mass. -- John Cowan www.ccil.org/~cowan www.reutershealth.com jcowan@reutershealth.com "'My young friend, if you do not now, immediately and instantly, pull as hard as ever you can, it is my opinion that your acquaintance in the large-pattern leather ulster' (and by this he meant the Crocodile) 'will jerk you into yonder limpid stream before you can say Jack Robinson.'" --the Bi-Coloured-Python-Rock-Snake