Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.104]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BD6LW-0007sS-QX for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:39:50 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-22027-1081795133-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2004 18:38:54 -0000 X-Sender: cowan@ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57009 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2004 18:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2004 18:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2004 18:38:52 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BD6KZ-0000YB-00; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:38:51 -0400 To: Bob LeChevalier Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20040412183851.GL386@ccil.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040407072603.0336d170@pop.east.cox.net> <20040330055426.GD27631@ccil.org> <20040329070110.GO6569@digitalkingdom.org> <20040329120955.GB16482@ccil.org> <20040329231516.GU6569@digitalkingdom.org> <20040330055426.GD27631@ccil.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20040407072603.0336d170@pop.east.cox.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20040410151832.03608700@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040410151832.03608700@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.190.237.100 From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Profile: johnwcowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:38:51 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: Robin Confused (was Re: Re: "pu" versus "pu ku" and LR(1)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 7531 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: cowan@ccil.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Content-Length: 1684 Lines: 44 Bob LeChevalier scripsit: > puze'a means "pu da ku ze'a de ku" appropriately places in the sentence > for some values of da and de. I thought you had explicitly defined > things this way in the red book. No, on the contrary. The Red Book defines tense+ku in terms of selbri tense, and puze'a has a unitary definition. We do not know if puze'aku is synonymous with puku ze'aku or not. > That's the game we played with PA, as I understand it, and now we have > debates over the meaning of some of those undefined strings. Yes, but that's better that a bunch of rules that are more complex than they are worth. IMHO, we made the right tradeoff for PA, the wrong one for tense. -- Do what you will, John Cowan this Life's a Fiction jcowan@reutershealth.com And is made up of http://www.reutershealth.com Contradiction. --William Blake http://www.ccil.org/~cowan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/